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I get that it's a far shot and doubful for sure. was just posting an idea. not really a good reason for some of you to act like pricks.
TT is good but his value has dropped well below being the 3rd pick. He has been publicly questioned on his work ethic and has had his minutes drop as well. Kwame was a high pick too.
Hinrich is in a similar situation and will be traded.
Deng's situation has been covered thoroughly
LO is expiring. It was pipe for sure but not completely unreasonable |
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It's all to do with Salary. If the Gasol trade never went through, this could be a possibility. However, I just don't see us paying Bryant, Gasol, Bynum and then giving Deng a fair amount at the same time. We have to look at this from the salary perspective. Deng would be a great fit and he would probably be interested in joining us, but when you have to pay him that sort of money, he is just not available.
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| It's all to do with Salary. If the Gasol trade never went through, this could be a possibility. However, I just don't see us paying Bryant, Gasol, Bynum and then giving Deng a fair amount at the same time. We have to look at this from the salary perspective. Deng would be a great fit and he would probably be interested in joining us, but when you have to pay him that sort of money, he is just not available. |
Well, for years the Knicks were paying over 100 million dollars for a roster full of junk, so maybe the Lakers shouldnt be afraid of paying that for a roster full of talent and championship runs. |
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out of those 4 teams pistons and heat have no chance being in the same division
so it boils down to utah and LA
utah doesn't have much outside of milsap and almond
we throw lamar at them its a done deal being that we are in the west
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deng doesn't fit, but what about Odom for Heinrich and Tyrus Thomas. Chicago gets an expiring contract in Odom, Lakers get a backup power forward to take Ronny's place and a point guard that can shoot for the next four years.  |
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Darth Bynumite
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| Darth Bynumite wrote: |
| It's all to do with Salary. If the Gasol trade never went through, this could be a possibility. However, I just don't see us paying Bryant, Gasol, Bynum and then giving Deng a fair amount at the same time. We have to look at this from the salary perspective. Deng would be a great fit and he would probably be interested in joining us, but when you have to pay him that sort of money, he is just not available. |
Well, for years the Knicks were paying over 100 million dollars for a roster full of junk, so maybe the Lakers shouldnt be afraid of paying that for a roster full of talent and championship runs. |
I'm not talking about the Knicks though. I'm talking about the Lakers. If possible, I'd prefer that we don't pay LOADS on players. We do have to consider Dr.Buss' pockets. Whilst he is rich, he may not be prepared to pay all of that money.
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| deng doesn't fit, but what about Odom for Heinrich and Tyrus Thomas. Chicago gets an expiring contract in Odom, Lakers get a backup power forward to take Ronny's place and a point guard that can shoot for the next four years. |
now how does that solve chicago's problem of having deng not wanting to be there
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how about this
Deng (re-signed starting at around 10-12 mil.)
Hinrich
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Odom
Farmar
Mihm (or Ariza if they want more)
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last stand
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how about this
Deng (re-signed starting at 9 mil.)
Hinrich
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Odom
Farmar
Mihm (or Ariza if they want more) |
here is the thing on that trade
had gasol not been traded here it would go through
the bulls know the league would go crazy if they did that
though the deal makes full sense in light of their rebuilding process
no way that sits well with other teams
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Lakerman JSJ
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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how about this
Deng (re-signed starting at 9 mil.)
Hinrich
for
Odom
Farmar
Mihm (or Ariza if they want more) |
That's an awwwwwwful lot of salary for us to be taking on with Drew & Kobe's extensions just around the corner.
Plus I don't think Chicago is getting enough back in that deal, but it's not that outlandish from just a talent standpoint.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| GinoDB wrote: |
how about this
Deng (re-signed starting at 9 mil.)
Hinrich
for
Odom
Farmar
Mihm (or Ariza if they want more) |
here is the thing on that trade
had gasol not been traded here it would go through
the bulls know the league would go crazy if they did that
though the deal makes full sense in light of their rebuilding process
no way that sits well with other teams |
yeah thats why I put or Ariza but you're right even that won't be enough to make the trade look good .btw I edited my post to 10-12mil because I just realized he wasn't satisfied with just 9 apparently. |
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last stand
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| GinoDB wrote: |
how about this
Deng (re-signed starting at 9 mil.)
Hinrich
for
Odom
Farmar
Mihm (or Ariza if they want more) |
That's an awwwwwwful lot of salary for us to be taking on with Drew & Kobe's extensions just around the corner.
Plus I don't think Chicago is getting enough back in that deal, but it's not that outlandish from just a talent standpoint. |
itss a perfect deal for what they want to do
shed salary get young talent back and get huge expirings
but how do they sell to the rest of the league sending us a package they wouldn't send for kobe for lamar, farmar, ariza, mihm
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Lakerman JSJ
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| last stand wrote: |
| Lakerman JSJ wrote: |
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how about this
Deng (re-signed starting at 9 mil.)
Hinrich
for
Odom
Farmar
Mihm (or Ariza if they want more) |
That's an awwwwwwful lot of salary for us to be taking on with Drew & Kobe's extensions just around the corner.
Plus I don't think Chicago is getting enough back in that deal, but it's not that outlandish from just a talent standpoint. |
itss a perfect deal for what they want to do
shed salary get young talent back and get huge expirings
but how do they sell to the rest of the league sending us a package they wouldn't send for kobe for lamar, farmar, ariza, mihm |
Chicago doesn't give a damn about the rest of the league. If a deal comes along that makes sense for them, they'll do it.
Hinrich's coming off a down year and has a long contract. They also just drafted the #1 overall pick at his same position. They'd trade him for a half-eaten tub of Cool Whip if they could. Deng on the other hand is being unreasonable with his demands. Not too crazy of a justification there.
The biggest hurdle is all that salary on the books for Dr. Buss. That's getting HEAVILY into Luxury Tax land despite it giving us a stacked roster beyond belief. I have a hard time envisioning any owner coughing up that kind of dough.
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| Lakerman JSJ wrote: |
| last stand wrote: |
| Lakerman JSJ wrote: |
| GinoDB wrote: |
how about this
Deng (re-signed starting at 9 mil.)
Hinrich
for
Odom
Farmar
Mihm (or Ariza if they want more) |
That's an awwwwwwful lot of salary for us to be taking on with Drew & Kobe's extensions just around the corner.
Plus I don't think Chicago is getting enough back in that deal, but it's not that outlandish from just a talent standpoint. |
itss a perfect deal for what they want to do
shed salary get young talent back and get huge expirings
but how do they sell to the rest of the league sending us a package they wouldn't send for kobe for lamar, farmar, ariza, mihm |
Chicago doesn't give a damn about the rest of the league. If a deal comes along that makes sense for them, they'll do it.
Hinrich's coming off a down year and has a long contract. They also just drafted the #1 overall pick at his same position. They'd trade him for a half-eaten tub of Cool Whip if they could. Deng on the other hand is being unreasonable with his demands. Not too crazy of a justification there.
The biggest hurdle is all that salary on the books for Dr. Buss. That's getting HEAVILY into Luxury Tax land despite it giving us a stacked roster beyond belief. I have a hard time envisioning any owner coughing up that kind of dough. |
all mitch has to do is tell jerry
the endorsements you coul get for that 75 win team would be off the charts
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OC Lakerfan
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We won't trade for Deng if he's making that much. Too many players with fat contracts.
Kobe
Gasol
Resigned Bynum
AND Deng?
No way it's happening. Lakers would rather resign Odom for less (or better yet, trade him for someone who is a better fit and makes less).
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last stand
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We won't trade for Deng if he's making that much. Too many players with fat contracts.
Kobe
Gasol
Resigned Bynum
AND Deng?
No way it's happening. Lakers would rather resign Odom for less (or better yet, trade him for someone who is a better fit and makes less). |
kobe would take a pay cut to play on that team
his image would benefit astronomically
which could put him over the top when discussing greatest players of all time
first people will say hopw unselfish of him all along he was about winning
the the championships that would roll in with that team would also help his image
winning 6 championships which is what that stacked team could accomplish would effectively solidify his image and career
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i say bynum settles for 72 million over 6 years
kobe will take a pay cut to about 5 years 60 million
deng will be making 11 million a year
hinrich will be makeing 10 million a year with decreasing salary
then you search hard for luke walton or vlad takers
done
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I am so disappointed in the contracts of Luke Walton and Vladamir Radmanovic. Those two contracts are worth 11 million dollars. I cant wait till they come off the books but we have to wait 3 years for Vlad and 5 years for Luke.
It may just be me but signing mediocre players to long term contracts is a bad idea. As much as I would llike to have those contracts expire this year, thats not the case. With that said, in principle I hope we never sign a player of Luke Walton or Radmanovic calibur to a 5 year deal again. |
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I am so disappointed in the contracts of Luke Walton and Vladamir Radmanovic. Those two contracts are worth 11 million dollars. I cant wait till they come off the books but we have to wait 3 years for Vlad and 5 years for Luke.
It may just be me but signing mediocre players to long term contracts is a bad idea. As much as I would llike to have those contracts expire this year, thats not the case. With that said, in principle I hope we never sign a player of Luke Walton or Radmanovic calibur to a 5 year deal again. |
i remember when there was rumors miami was highly interested in signing luke 
should have let them
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The Lakers won't let Fisher go.
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your a delightful young fellow and every bit the asset to CL that I am, Odom is a much better player than deng
Odom>Deng everyday of life 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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We won't trade for Deng if he's making that much. Too many players with fat contracts.
Kobe
Gasol
Resigned Bynum
AND Deng?
No way it's happening. Lakers would rather resign Odom for less (or better yet, trade him for someone who is a better fit and makes less). |
kobe would take a pay cut to play on that team
his image would benefit astronomically
which could put him over the top when discussing greatest players of all time
first people will say hopw unselfish of him all along he was about winning
the the championships that would roll in with that team would also help his image
winning 6 championships which is what that stacked team could accomplish would effectively solidify his image and career |
I don't think Kobe would take a pay cut...nor has any other player done in their prime. Malone and Payton did it at the end of their carrers, Artest wouldn't settle for 2 Mil less with the chance to win and get a huge extension. Players don't do that...as much as froma fan perspective would would, it is a business to them, and they want money. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Amongst:Kings wrote: |
| last stand wrote: |
| OC Lakerfan wrote: |
We won't trade for Deng if he's making that much. Too many players with fat contracts.
Kobe
Gasol
Resigned Bynum
AND Deng?
No way it's happening. Lakers would rather resign Odom for less (or better yet, trade him for someone who is a better fit and makes less). |
kobe would take a pay cut to play on that team
his image would benefit astronomically
which could put him over the top when discussing greatest players of all time
first people will say hopw unselfish of him all along he was about winning
the the championships that would roll in with that team would also help his image
winning 6 championships which is what that stacked team could accomplish would effectively solidify his image and career |
I don't think Kobe would take a pay cut...nor has any other player done in their prime. Malone and Payton did it at the end of their carrers, Artest wouldn't settle for 2 Mil less with the chance to win and get a huge extension. Players don't do that...as much as froma fan perspective would would, it is a business to them, and they want money. |
the most important thing to kobe at this point is his legacy
him taking a paycut doesn't matter due to his fat contract with nike which will only increase if/when he wins more titles
the symbolism of the paycut is unselfishness
taking a paycut would all but ensure his named being mentioned amongst both MJs wilt and kareem
when people looked back on these championship runs that would happen if he took a pay cut first thing they would say is it was all made possible because kobe cut his salary by 8 million or so
that would be huge for his image huge
NBA contract money means very little considering he would make way more with nike if rings started to roll in again
not to mention he would most likely only need to cut his salary down to about 13 million a year which is still not bordering the poverty line
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deng may be a better defender but honestly we dont need a better personal defender, we need better team defense, better inside help, which hopefully bynum can bring, therefore making us a better team already, purely with size...
trading odom also may bring down morale with the team, the team made it so far as this unit, i really think we only need to make a couple of minor trades, NOT AN ODOM TRADE. we need to trade mihm and vlad (hes easier to trade than luke) for another PF/C (not that i know any that are available. if you agree do you have any suggestions? |
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why is Odom always involved in this conversation?
Lakers Staff has made it clear that with Gasol in, and Bynum coming back, they are going to try out that frontline of LO and Gasol and Bynum. LO isnt going anywhere, its what I been saying the past 2 years, he isnt leaving.
now, lakers need toughness, and rebounding, they would lose both if Odom was to go. Deng just brings scoring...... We have plenty of that. If anything I can see, Mihm, Luke, Vlad, Mbenga, all expandable.
Mitch really needs to get on the phone with every team to see who would be intrested in one of these 3 guys.
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lets not forget we have Crawford, who is a very good pick for how far we were in the draft.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Kwame???? |
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All is good with your trade idea, altough, it is hard to get done.
But, what the hell is wrong with you, to bring back Kwame Brown? I won't take him back, not for free, but, even if he is going to pay me back all of the money, he took from us. |
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odom + mihm for deng + gooden.
odom + mihm + farmar for deng + hinrich is pure pipe.
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bynum
gasol
deng
kobe
hinrich...
ya right.. we will go 82-0 with that team |
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Odom>>>>>Deng. Period
DON'T DO IT MITCH!!! 
I can see trading LO for Artest, maybe even Marion. But Deng? Just think, this time last year Deng was the centerpiece in the Kobe trade talks.  Man would we have gotten robbed... What a difference a year makes! 
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