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Lookin' good LO, lookin good.  |
photoshop king right there
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Most fake picture I've ever seen in my life. Odom dribbling with his right arm. Never in a million years!!!!!!!!
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I should have known man. I would have never been able to tell especially by looking at the shoes, but I should have seen the right hand!! 
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yea i heard we are trading odom for josh smith please stop the madness. if you guys think odom wouldnt fit at the 3 wait til you get aload of smith in the wc at the 3. i am willing to bet anyone odom will be on our roster opening day 99.999999999%
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Got his from another forum:
Lookin' good LO, lookin good. |
photoshop king right there
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Most fake picture I've ever seen in my life. Odom dribbling with his right arm. Never in a million years!!!!!!!!
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a classic post
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If we give them Lamar, Farmar, and Mihm for Smith, we are going to be taking on one damn large contract that Smith signs.
Gasol, Bynum, Smith, and Kobe would easily put us over the cap just with those four. . |
yes, but it does give us the best core in the NBA.
plus, you have Smith to play alongside bynum when kobe and gasol retire. |
people thought we had the best core in 2004, how did that work out?
LO/Farmar/Mihm for JSmith is an absolutely terrible trade. it's like someone went out and said, hey, let's remove ALL depth from our frontline, including our most consistent rebounder, and throw in our only backup PG who was crucial in our run to the Finals, just for a guy who has a lot of "potential."
i like Smith's game, heck i picked him up with my 2nd pick in my Fantasy League last year and still won, i made sure to watch him play.
as talented as he is, giving up 2 key players and a lot of depth is not worth it. he disappears just as much as LO.
LO for Smith straight up? Sure. but im not giving up our future PG and some much needed depth up front for all the potential in the world, plus a constant migraine from his immaturity.
people harp on LO all the time, not about his talent, but about how he "fits." great solution here, a guy who "fits" about as well a toothbrush in pee hole.
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If we give them Lamar, Farmar, and Mihm for Smith, we are going to be taking on one damn large contract that Smith signs.
Gasol, Bynum, Smith, and Kobe would easily put us over the cap just with those four. . |
yes, but it does give us the best core in the NBA.
plus, you have Smith to play alongside bynum when kobe and gasol retire. |
people thought we had the best core in 2004, how did that work out?
LO/Farmar/Mihm for JSmith is an absolutely terrible trade. it's like someone went out and said, hey, let's remove ALL depth from our frontline, including our most consistent rebounder, and throw in our only backup PG who was crucial in our run to the Finals, just for a guy who has a lot of "potential."
i like Smith's game, heck i picked him up with my 2nd pick in my Fantasy League last year and still won, i made sure to watch him play.
as talented as he is, giving up 2 key players and a lot of depth is not worth it. he disappears just as much as LO.
LO for Smith straight up? Sure. but im not giving up our future PG and some much needed depth up front for all the potential in the world, plus a constant migraine from his immaturity.
people harp on LO all the time, not about his talent, but about how he "fits." great solution here, a guy who "fits" about as well a toothbrush in pee hole. |
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If we give them Lamar, Farmar, and Mihm for Smith, we are going to be taking on one damn large contract that Smith signs.
Gasol, Bynum, Smith, and Kobe would easily put us over the cap just with those four. . |
yes, but it does give us the best core in the NBA.
plus, you have Smith to play alongside bynum when kobe and gasol retire. |
people thought we had the best core in 2004, how did that work out?
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2004 was great until Malone tore up his knee. Horace Grant was also hurt. Derek Fisher also hurt is knee in the WCF, and Rick Fox had a problem with a ligament in his foot.
Perhaps we did lack some quality depth; but, we also had a stockpile of injuries.
As far as Artest goes, I did notice that SAS was on ESPN a few days ago, and when discussing Artest, the Lakers never even came up. Essentially, the entire discussion was about the Mavericks, with no other teams mentioned. But, the way the interview was going, SAS could easily have mentioned other teams had he so desired.
I have also noticed that since I saw that interview over the week-end, there has been no news or rumblings regarding Artest - at least none that I am aware of.
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If we give them Lamar, Farmar, and Mihm for Smith, we are going to be taking on one damn large contract that Smith signs.
Gasol, Bynum, Smith, and Kobe would easily put us over the cap just with those four. . |
yes, but it does give us the best core in the NBA.
plus, you have Smith to play alongside bynum when kobe and gasol retire. |
people thought we had the best core in 2004, how did that work out?
LO/Farmar/Mihm for JSmith is an absolutely terrible trade. it's like someone went out and said, hey, let's remove ALL depth from our frontline, including our most consistent rebounder, and throw in our only backup PG who was crucial in our run to the Finals, just for a guy who has a lot of "potential."
i like Smith's game, heck i picked him up with my 2nd pick in my Fantasy League last year and still won, i made sure to watch him play.
as talented as he is, giving up 2 key players and a lot of depth is not worth it. he disappears just as much as LO.
LO for Smith straight up? Sure. but im not giving up our future PG and some much needed depth up front for all the potential in the world, plus a constant migraine from his immaturity.
people harp on LO all the time, not about his talent, but about how he "fits." great solution here, a guy who "fits" about as well a toothbrush in pee hole. |
the guy is younger
as versatile
10 times the athlete
produces more and makes a better impact on the game at 5 years odoms junior
was a SF every year till this year so saying he can't play SF is ludicrous
more agressive
better finisher
better defender
not that far off in rebounding
can play the PF if needed
you say hes potential but if you watched him ever you'd know hes better than lamar is now at 23 years old and would be an upgrade who we could lock up for now and the bynum era
lose depth
wow we lose mihm and farmar off the bench big losses
to get a guy like smith you can find back-up PGs
hell delonte west is out there and hes much better than farmar and a better fit in our system hes out there for the MLE
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Odom was a SF his first 5 years in the league. yet people say he can't play SF.
let me try this again, nowhere did i say Smith can't play SF, you put words in my mouth.
all those things you listed about Smith, at no point did i say anything to the contrary.
all those thing you listed, don't show up every night. he's just as inconsistent as Odom. your whole argument was based on his assets i've already agreed with, so who are you trying to convince?
my point was based on HOW HE FITS IN OUR TEAM. the same things people complain about with Odom are the same problems with Smith.
and considering we lost to Boston mainly due to our BENCH, how can you really downplay losing that much depth?
Josh Smith has a higher ceiling than LO, but as of now, it's a marginal upgrade, IF THAT. personally i view Smith a lot like Marion, he wants a lot of recognition, playing 3rd or 4th fiddle won't make him too happy.
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| i love the way smith plays but in this little fantasy scenario, we dont give up farmar in the trade, its too much for only Smith. Period. |
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 what is going on with this situation? |
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Same as always. Nothing |
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| The Artest deal is dead, RoniT is gone and Kurt Thomas signed with SA, that means Odumb must stay and play the power forward spot. Close this thread it is dead. |
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| The Artest deal is dead, RoniT is gone and Kurt Thomas signed with SA, that means Odumb must stay and play the power forward spot. Close this thread it is dead. |
where did ron get traded? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The Artest deal is dead, RoniT is gone and Kurt Thomas signed with SA, that means Odumb must stay and play the power forward spot. Close this thread it is dead. |
where did ron get traded? |
And if Odom plays the PF who starts at SF and who gets benched for Lamar? 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| The Artest deal is dead, RoniT is gone and Kurt Thomas signed with SA, that means Odumb must stay and play the power forward spot. Close this thread it is dead. |
where did ron get traded? |
He meant Ronny.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The Artest deal is dead, RoniT is gone and Kurt Thomas signed with SA, that means Odumb must stay and play the power forward spot. Close this thread it is dead. |
where did ron get traded? |
And if Odom plays the PF who starts at SF and who gets benched for Lamar? |
the Lakers have three small forwards under contract that no one wants, pick one: Ariza, Walton or Radman
Odom plays in rotation with Gasol and Bynum, there are 96 minutes avail at PF and C, and Gasol has a bad back, Bynum has been injury prone and is coming back from surgery, they will all be pretty happy with 30 minutes a game and a rest once a week during the regular season.  |
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Hey guys I hope that all is well!
I still think something will happen with Artest but the Lakers know they are in the best position and will take their time. Everyone knows that Artest is a gamble ... look at what other teams are offering ... not much. The Lakers will wait it out, see if they can get Sasha back in the fold, and hopefully dump either Luke of Radman. At this point I see one of those two being moved sooner than LO. Just a gut feeling.
I know that we're all impatient but waiting is the best thing the Lakers can do. By waiting the potential destinations for Artest will dry up and the Kings will be left with the Lakers. I don't think the Kings will have Artest on it's roster at the beginning of training camp. |
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| me niether but i dont really see him in our ineup either |
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Hey guys I hope that all is well!
I still think something will happen with Artest but the Lakers know they are in the best position and will take their time. Everyone knows that Artest is a gamble ... look at what other teams are offering ... not much. The Lakers will wait it out, see if they can get Sasha back in the fold, and hopefully dump either Luke of Radman. At this point I see one of those two being moved sooner than LO. Just a gut feeling.
I know that we're all impatient but waiting is the best thing the Lakers can do. By waiting the potential destinations for Artest will dry up and the Kings will be left with the Lakers. I don't think the Kings will have Artest on it's roster at the beginning of training camp. |
Yeah right no one wants Luke or Vlad the end. |
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| The Queens won't give up Artest without Kenny Thomas and his ridiculous contract. That means count out the Lakers, they can't afford another bad long term contract. Sacto will find some team that is desperate enough to take on both players and it won't be the Lakers. |
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| The Queens won't give up Artest without Kenny Thomas and his ridiculous contract. That means count out the Lakers, they can't afford another bad long term contract. Sacto will find some team that is desperate enough to take on both players and it won't be the Lakers. |
This season & next at approximately $8 million per isn't really "ridiculous" or "long term".
Don't get me wrong, it sucks, but it's not toxic. I think it's being overblown slightly.
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| The Queens won't give up Artest without Kenny Thomas and his ridiculous contract. That means count out the Lakers, they can't afford another bad long term contract. Sacto will find some team that is desperate enough to take on both players and it won't be the Lakers. |
This season & next at approximately $8 million per isn't really "ridiculous" or "long term".
Don't get me wrong, it sucks, but it's not toxic. I think it's being overblown slightly. |
what i think people are missing is next year he can be pretty valuable as an expiring
throw in kenny with luke and send the package to a team with enough cap space to take it without giving us anything
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16-17 million, 2 years, and zero basketball production is what you'll get from Kenny Thomas. Basically, it is like including an eight digit check along with Lamar Odom for Ron Artest. It isn't Kenyon Martinesque, but it is pretty ugly.
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| 16-17 million, 2 years, and zero basketball production is what you'll get from Kenny Thomas. Basically, it is like including an eight digit check along with Lamar Odom for Ron Artest. It isn't Kenyon Martinesque, but it is pretty ugly. |
Call me optimistic, but the guy could be a decent bench guy with a change of pace to inject some life into his legs.
He didn't just forget how to play basketball and (if I'm not mistaken) he hasn't suffered some horrendous injury that would drastically cut his production.
His midrange faceup game could work well in the Triangle at the 4. I'm not expecting miracles here, but he's not going to be a Steve Francis.
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This thread is gonna show up in some horror movie one day cause no matter what you do it just wont die 
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wow that was corny
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Call me optimistic, but the guy could be a decent bench guy with a change of pace to inject some life into his legs.
He didn't just forget how to play basketball and (if I'm not mistaken) he hasn't suffered some horrendous injury that would drastically cut his production.
His midrange faceup game could work well in the Triangle at the 4. I'm not expecting miracles here, but he's not going to be a Steve Francis. |
It's possible but I highly doubt it. From his face alone, it looks like he's gained 20 to 30 pounds over the last few years. He was once a double-double guy, but he hasn't produced anything in four years. He didn't make a single jumper this year. Yes, you heard me right. I know he barely played, but still 281 minutes and not a single made jumper. Last year he shot 23.9% on jumpers in 1412 minutes.
I mean, I just don't want any part of this guy. He used to be known for his sweet mid-range J (for a big), his rebounding, and his tenacity. The J is gone. The athleticism and body to bang for the boards is gone. Maybe the tenacity comes back in a new city? Maybe? I guess we could cross our fingers.
I don't think he can repair the damage he's done to his game the last 2-3 years in one off-season, but it could also be that I'm just on the pessimistic side of the Kenny Thomas discussion.
Basically, I hate Kenny Thomas and I'm not afraid to show it.
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Man if Artest goes somewhere other than the Lakers this thread will crumble faster than Mr. Glass. If he goes to the Lakers then this thread will be deified and crucified like Jesus. I swear Billy will be like the second coming to some folks while appearing to be the final sign of the apocalypse. Just hold on and ride it out whatever happens it's probably weeks away. Honestly the silence surrounding all this has me optimistic something will happen. Trades like this usually happen out of nowhere. Patience is a virtue but most of us are full up on vice.
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